General Discussion Thread

[Kaboose]

Originally Posted by FireMail

its more like a hate-relationship with some players. you can ask some guys like kale or fanta - i dont even have to write anything and i get attacked by them in game
but i managed to change my behaviour and, as you can see, no more stars*cough* player threads about me

about the way i write: i cant / wont change that point.

We dont make any threads anymore cause we know that you i3D guys dont care about if one of you is racistic against some clan and insult us rule breakers, cheaters and insulters without reason. When we said about that and that Firemail banned me cause he provoked me to piss off. I got my ban and Firemail didnt even get punished. When Freeze did that same thing he got instant ban from admin team. Is that justice? Is that justice when one admin is under the rules and Firemail is not. FreeZe was lot better admin and more fair and didnt piss players off and ban them when Firemail did. Only FreeZe got banned. WTF? For real??

[nac_snake]

I have to say that Rob has made a great tread. I am not sure i agree with all - esp on the HA case, but in most of it. And i am very happy to see that ppl are actually talking to eachother, even though they not allways agree, they are actually talking!!

keep talking, and find whats causing the anger i have seen trough my posts.

And you know what to say, right?!

Let the flowers Grow!!

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best regards

The Man in Black!

[andyness]

I suggest you get your facts straight Kaboose, especially regarding FreeZe.
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If you have any concrete complaints about FireMail you're free to create a thread.

[Deeway]

The community used to run perfectly when we had former servers (during one or two years without a single major issue).

But three major things happened last year and this year:
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1. Some Head Admins (including me) were overruled in many occasions which tend them to be less respected and led to a mess between HAs and some power hungry Admins (Rob knows what I am talking about), and the conflictual situations we had also led to some good admins loss (bored of some admins whinings). If we Head Admins had the latitude to handle things without being overruled, such issues would never have happened. That's a fact. This has been clarified since and we HAs will not be overruled again.

2. The IP changes we had one year ago, which led to a huge loss of players. Once again we had to do with it, and it was not easy to fill new servers, but we finally were able to populate most of them.

3. More recently Valve decided to update CS:S, which was even worse for us, and once again we had to to our best with that. And seriously it was even harder to handle for Head Admins.

We do our best to maintain the community alive, but the CS:S update was prolly the worst thing that happened in 3 years. But still the servers population will grow up again if nothing bad happens.

To be honest all Head Admins did a great work, but the 3 major issues I mentionned above ruined their efforts.

And I am not talking about the people whining for petty things on forum. That makes it even harder to handle.

If you really want to help this community: propose things, give ideas, and do not blame Head Admins because they really do not deserve that, they all spent numerous hours/days trying to fix numerous issues.

I will soon recruit new admins and be sure that all Head admins will continue to do their best to make sure that the community grows up again even tho it is not easy.

[Rob^]

Originally Posted by Deeway

1. Some Head Admins (including me) were overruled in many occasions which tend them to be less respected and led to a mess between HAs and some power hungry Admins (Rob knows what I am talking about), and the conflictual situations we had also led to some good admins loss (bored of some admins whinings). If we Head Admins had the latitude to handle things without being overruled, such issues would never have happened. That's a fact. This has been clarified since and we HAs will not be overruled again.

I actually had to walk away from my computer there to stop myself wading into this topic and breaking my own rules.

Lets face the first issue, of which I assume you are talking about
Overuling - I assume that you are talking about the admin recruitment incident of a year ago. In your opinion, I forced an i3D member of staff to give me the job and overule you.
This however, is my "opinion" - There was another BIG scandal with you involved. You were accused of favourtism when you recruited admins for i3d and ran the clan "w3". Any admins who were around at the time will agree, that we were not happy with the way the system was run and many people were upset. Also, there was no real admin training scheme, no age limit, only a guideline, no referral system and the initial form was poorly written and messy. I came up with a few ideas, and contacted you over Steam. Whereupon, you promptly agreed with me, and then went into the admin forum announcing "Changes to the recruitment system" and wrote that you were changing it. This, obviously annoyed me, and I complained that you werent running the system properly. The i3D staff member got involved (who at the time, I barely knew) and as a neutral party, proposed that I run the system, as it was pretty much my idea. You actually agreed in the chat and wished me luck. Far from the forcing you to give up the power, someone who, arguably, was better at something you did, took over. Not hard to follow the logic eh?

Power Hungry - Another point of contention for me. I admit that I was interested in being a Head Admin here, but it was not for having power (Seriously? power over other people on the internet. If that makes you happy, you need to take a stern look at yourself) but was interested because you neglected the CSS community for months on end and was very AFK. There was a large stirring of unhappiness, and I put forward the idea of HA elections, again, as an idea. Not a coup as it was commonly seen as, but an idea that if it was popular with the admins, we would seek to have put in place, not forced in. Sadly, Eastsider (who recently apologised to me in a PM, which I appreciate) got the wrong end of the stick, and was convinced I was looking to take over. I was banned from forums and removed before having the chance to explain. Despite the fact I was going to Africa for 5 months in under 2 weeks, conclusions were jumped too, thanks to certain people fanning the flames.

Admins Leaving - I dont intend to flame here, but its hard not too. Almost all the admins who have left have blamed Deeway for their reason to leave. As CSS community manager, you should be a reason to stay, not to leave. If you dont agree with this point, read Westsiders thread, or I can post Eastsiders PM to myself.

Originally Posted by Deeway

To be honest all Head Admins did a great work, but the 3 major issues I mentionned above ruined their efforts.

And I am not talking about the people whining for petty things on forum. That makes it even harder to handle.

If you really want to help this community: propose things, give ideas, and do not blame Head Admins because they really do not deserve that, they all spent numerous hours/days trying to fix numerous issues.

I will soon recruit new admins and be sure that all Head admins will continue to do their best to make sure that the community grows up again even tho it is not easy.

This above passage is one of the reasons sums up my problems with this community and yourself.
People are proposing ideas (I proposed a lot) and you have ignored them. Instead, you have attacked myself (who is only trying to help) and made your typical bland sweeping statements which do little to benefit the community at all.

Recruiting admins is pointless. You have no active servers and no active admin applicants who I can see, deserve a place in the admin team at present. Recruiting right now would be the worst decision possible.

And as for people attacking HA. Its not a sheep following sheep thing here. Every person who has stepped forward, has had their own reason to be angry at the HA system here, and its mindboggling to think you are still oblivious to this. Its been a long time since I read a genuine post (not someone sucking up) complementing you Deeway, yet for Cruth Chimera and Tehuti (I would say Salem, but I cant see him around) there is FAR little anger towards them than there is towards you.

Food for thought....

[Dancing Lobster]

Originally Posted by Deeway

The community used to run perfectly when we had former servers (during one or two years without a single major issue).

But three major things happened last year and this year:

1. Some Head Admins (including me) were overruled in many occasions which tend them to be less respected and led to a mess between HAs and some power hungry Admins (Rob knows what I am talking about), and the conflictual situations we had also led to some good admins loss (bored of some admins whinings). If we Head Admins had the latitude to handle things without being overruled, such issues would never have happened. That's a fact. This has been clarified since and we HAs will not be overruled again.

2. The IP changes we had one year ago, which led to a huge loss of players. Once again we had to do with it, and it was not easy to fill new servers, but we finally were able to populate most of them.

3. More recently Valve decided to update CS:S, which was even worse for us, and once again we had to to our best with that. And seriously it was even harder to handle for Head Admins.

We do our best to maintain the community alive, but the CS:S update was prolly the worst thing that happened in 3 years. But still the servers population will grow up again if nothing bad happens.

To be honest all Head Admins did a great work, but the 3 major issues I mentionned above ruined their efforts.

And I am not talking about the people whining for petty things on forum. That makes it even harder to handle.

If you really want to help this community: propose things, give ideas, and do not blame Head Admins because they really do not deserve that, they all spent numerous hours/days trying to fix numerous issues.

I will soon recruit new admins and be sure that all Head admins will continue to do their best to make sure that the community grows up again even tho it is not easy.

About that: I have no doubt head admins have done and still do their very best to keep the community alive and to run it. BUT, head admins should not be afraid of getting critics on what they do. Maybe they are responsible for some of the issues Rob posted; I have no idea as I'm not a CSS player. What I want to say is: take the critics into account and think about it. It may be true, and if it is, you may need to change the way the HA are running the community. Don't just ignore the critics and think you guys are running the show without making mistakes . But in order to do something about it, you need to see them first

Then again, I'm sure all HA do their very best, but all I'm trying to say is that they should be able to see and admit their mistakes

[Westsid3r]

^Rob = Godlike.

[unique93]

I do not know what's going on in this community for the last months. But I can remember a head admin abusing his powers on the servers from time to time and no one could do shit about it because he was the ''boss''. Even players complaining on the forum about it were ignored and posts were edited by the dude (can't remember his name). Well, if I see shit like that happen I can honestly say I'm happy your community got destroyed. That's not the way you handle your players.

On a side not: I had an awesome time on i3D deathrun servers when they were alive .

[andyness]

Originally Posted by unique93

I do not know what's going on in this community for the last months. But I can remember a head admin abusing his powers from time to time and no one could do shit about it because he was the boss. Even players complaining on this forum were ignored and posts were edited by the dude (can't remember his name). Well, if I see shit like that happen I can honestly say I'm happy your community got destroyed. That's not the way you handle your players.

That was not a head admin, that was the owner/founder/you-name-it of the company this community is named after (www.i3d.net).

[unique93]

Originally Posted by andyness

That was not a head admin, that was the owner/founder/you-name-it of the company this community is named after (www.i3d.net).

Like I said, the boss. Anyway, he shouldn't do shit like that.

[nac_snake]

First of all, I have to say that i am kind of upset in the way ppl of the forum look on the HA. I dont know for how long Deeway, cruth and of the others has been arround. But they have. They have spent hundres, perhaps thousand of houers in the comunity helping ppl, giving advice and so on.

When ppl start to nag about every thing they can imagine, and blame the HA, then it will start to crumble. Its like this. When you have one person who is in charge, makes an unhappy decision ppl will allways question the decision. But if the decision hadent been taken, things would have gone bad.
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So, everybody can either accept that somebody has said so an so or they can question it. But when a decision has been made by a person in charge in a difficult case you should encurage him, not blaim him.

and this you should also do in the forum. encurage eachother to make it bether. stop finding somebody to blaim, but do something about it. Criticism can either be a positive thing or a negative thing. When everybody are saying: this is bad. this aint gone happen an so on, its hard to argue against them.

But if you are optimistic, encurage your friends, even though they are hars against you, it will be hard to be angry in the long run.

They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...Always look on the bright side of life...
Always looks on the light side of life...

And you know what to say, right?!

LET THE FLOWERS GROW!!

Best regards,

The Man in Black

[Bangbang]

Originally Posted by unique93

Like I said, the boss. Anyway, he shouldn't do shit like that.

It's true it's annoying what he does, BUT if he wasn't what he is now. You wouldn't be on this community forum or playing the servers he provides.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by SS-Doomtrooper

This is not a personal grudge thread, nor was my intention to attack you in any way, I was just giving examples.
I know what you mean, but if you read my post carefully you will see that I am trying to explain that such arguments should be posted in the admin section. Now we are just looking like a bunch of admins not working together in any way and contradicting eachother in public threads. I fully understand your point (and I agree for a part), but do you understand that such discussions should be posted in the admin section since you are an admin and you are "attacking" another admin (actually a team who arranges the events)?

Ok true , I indeed had to think before posting that , but though I stay with my opinion , wich is allowed I guess.
But the events in the past were more like real events , what I mean is , the server was full for 2 hours atleast.
The events now are just not as "popular" as they used to be , ok people join though , but the amount is sadly , not higher than 25 I guess? Take a look here: [EVENT] Run for your lives! (Deathrun)
13 people on an event , that isnt really much is it?
And the goal of the event is to keep the players playing there , wich they dont?
And I surely didnt want to attack Beyond with it , it was never my intention.

Originally Posted by Beyond

Doomtrooper, I couldn't agree more with you! On this matter, you and I have the same opinion.
Diesel, as I told before in adminforums and on the public forums as well: these "events" are to populate our servers. If there wouldn't be any, our servers would be empty 24/7. You cannot deny that. At least the eventteam is trying to do something for the community, unlike others in the adminteam...
About Niko's post, that wasn't quite true. I also responded to it and got the facts straight. There were about 20 people average for about an hour during the event. The server crashed and only about 8 people rejoined and stayed there again for about 45 minutes. After that, it crashed again and almost nobody rejoined.

Greetings
Beyond

First of all , I dont know whats true , your statement or Hirio's one ( [EVENT] Run for your lives! (Deathrun) )
Ok fair enough your trying to get those servers populated aigan , but fairly those players wont keep playing there , if I am wrong at this feel free to correct me.
I do have respect for you for trying , but when I see another event thread , I dont even want to look cause I can guess already its just another event thread with the same boring text and the goal to populate those servers , dont get me wrong Beyond! You actually do a great job at this. And aigan I've never had the intention to attack you on either way.

[FireMail]

Originally Posted by Warvibe

So... why are you still here when you only want to concentrate on your company and much much more important rl stuff? You have been saying that like a thousand times already, and we don't really care that much.
Please don't see this as a flaming post, I'm only telling something I know alot of people share the same opinion with me and I see this as one of the causes of flame posts.

never said that warvibe. I do play on the servers and i try to give my best by improving some tools and helping wherever its needed. I dont have as much time as schoolkids have due to my work - but atleast I play the needed amount of time.

Originally Posted by Kaboose

We dont make any threads anymore cause we know that you i3D guys dont care about if one of you is racistic against some clan and insult us rule breakers, cheaters and insulters without reason. When we said about that and that Firemail banned me cause he provoked me to piss off. I got my ban and Firemail didnt even get punished. When Freeze did that same thing he got instant ban from admin team. Is that justice? Is that justice when one admin is under the rules and Firemail is not. FreeZe was lot better admin and more fair and didnt piss players off and ban them when Firemail did. Only FreeZe got banned. WTF? For real??

lol welcome back kaboose

[FireMail]

Originally Posted by FireMail

never said that warvibe. I do play on the servers and i try to give my best by improving some tools and helping wherever its needed. I dont have as much time as schoolkids have due to my work - but atleast I play the needed amount of time.

damn - first reread the quote, then write the text...

so again @ warvibe:
i am here since i like playing when i have the time to. i also like most (if not all) of the current admin team. I play as much as possible, but i do have my company and my rl that will always be #1 priority. I am not a schoolkid like most of the others are.
And really? "we" dont care? Talk for yourself warvibe - furthermore: "I'm only telling something I know alot of people share the same opinion with me and I see this as one of the causes of flame posts."
You really think that when i write i have to concentrate on my rl or my company, that this is the point where some others start flaming me? I would call that jealous then.

Hey guys out there whoever wants to flame me: you can have a real life, just shut down your pc and step forward into the light. If you also want to have your own company - kick urself in the butt, start working, start learning and start trying out new stuff that has nothing todo with playing games. It might lead to you being one of the best in your branch which then allows you to have a company. You can do eet!

[Beyond]

Originally Posted by Diesel

First of all , I dont know whats true , your statement or Hirio's one ( [EVENT] Run for your lives! (Deathrun) )

I would never lie about the ammount of people on an event. There was an average (over a duration of an hour) of about 20 people. (Deeway was there as well for about half an hour and he'll tell you the same.) Sorry to say this, Hirio, but you either can't count or are lying on public forums!

About you, Diesel, I have no problems with you either, but I just wanted to assure you wouldn't post these issues on public forums in the future!

Greetings
Beyond

[Deathadder]

Originally Posted by Westsid3r

^Rob = Godlike.

its really bad that everything is true what he said above -.-

[FireMail]

deathnabber and i had a great idea how to solve all that crap:
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1) make HAs to IAs
2) make IAs to admins
3) make Ramon the only HA

[Deathadder]

Originally Posted by FireMail

deathnabber and i had a great idea how to solve all that crap:
1) make HAs to IAs
2) make IAs to admins
3) make Ramon the only HA

+1
yes, everything will be fine

[Skill'T]

Deeway I haz question.

When you told me you were going to make the admin recruit available for people who were 18 years or older _ONLY_ I told you it was the biggest crap i'd ever heard. Some admins agreed with you (not that they gave any good reason tho which is normal cuz u didn't make a thread about it either) but from what i've heard the majority didn't. But nonetheless you were planning on doing it and don't tell me you weren't because you were clear in our steamchat.

Then Cruth comes along and says 'it's bs' and you said "fine, then we don't do it".

Why is it that you always listen to Cruth (which is a good cuz he often has a more 'normal' view on things ) when admins already told you it's a bad idea but you just don't listen to them.
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Now this is not me trying to make a public flame or something, just a question and i'd like to have a clear answer because we all know how you like to beat around the bush