Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo

I'd try their forums, pretty sure they keep an eye on those.

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Subject: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo

Dear all GSPS on this list

I've been trying to get a hold of flagship/ventrilo.com officials by
email since mid november last year, have any of you been in contact with
them recently? Do you know of any mail adresses they are actually
monitoring/answering?

I'm getting worried that I'm paying my monthly fee for no use - will
they even notice if I stop paying them?

I need to get in touch with them to change our legal name and logo for
the current license.


Regards
Steffen
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Hey,

Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)

-Lee

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Same here, been trying to contact them for like 3 years without any
success.. So I gave up..


Andrew Armstrong a écrit :
> I'd try their forums, pretty sure they keep an eye on those.
>
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> Subject: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo
>
> Dear all GSPS on this list
>
> I've been trying to get a hold of flagship/ventrilo.com officials by
> email since mid november last year, have any of you been in contact with
> them recently? Do you know of any mail adresses they are actually
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> monitoring/answering?
>
> I'm getting worried that I'm paying my monthly fee for no use - will
> they even notice if I stop paying them?
>
> I need to get in touch with them to change our legal name and logo for
> the current license.
>
>
> Regards
> Steffen
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Not quite sure why everyone makes such a fuss about Ventrilo.
Individual clans can run a full featured TeamSpeak server for free.
There is a working TeamSpeak Linux client. TeamSpeak is actively under
development with a responsive development team. And as far as I can see
TeamSpeak does everything that Ventrilo does, at least as well, if not
better.

Drek

RTL-Servers wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>
> -Lee
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Hi.
Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.

-M

> Hey,
>
> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>
> -Lee
>
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The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at least that is what my customers sais.

And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.

Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay you to do some hours of work for me overseas

- Steffen

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Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo

Hi.
Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.

-M

> Hey,
>
> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>
> -Lee
>
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Hello,

I've tried to get a vent licence for the past 4-5 years with my own
company and another I worked for prior.

It's a bloody nightmare, never get a reply... hopefully TS3 comes out
shortly... anyone tried Mumble ?

Only problem with Mumble I have and my customers have is it sounds like
your talking into a tin can.

-Lee

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"The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at
least that is what my customers sais."

As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration issue.
You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the same
sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use lower
quality codecs that use less bandwidth.

As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS is
an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
say it was true...

Drek

Steffen Tronstad wrote:
> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at least that is what my customers sais.
>
> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
>
> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay you to do some hours of work for me overseas
>
> - Steffen
>
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> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
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> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo
>
> Hi.
> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
>
> -M
>
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>>
>> -Lee
>>
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I was about to say the same thing. Sound quality is all about the
codecs. They are not the same but with best codec TS has, you hardly
notice any difference for those that Ventrilo uses. Mostly it is a myth
but about TS getting actively developed, thats not exactly true. New
versions are rare but the software is fully working and critical bugs
get fixed.

-ics

Crazy Canucks kirjoitti:
> "The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at
> least that is what my customers sais."
>
> As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration issue.
> You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the same
> sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
> options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use lower
> quality codecs that use less bandwidth.
>
> As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS is
> an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
> say it was true...
>
> Drek
>
> Steffen Tronstad wrote:
>
>> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at least that is what my customers sais.
>>
>> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
>>
>> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay you to do some hours of work for me overseas
>>
>> - Steffen
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com] På vegne av Magnus
>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo
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>>
>> Hi.
>> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
>> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
>> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
>>
>> -M
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
>>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>>>
>>> -Lee
>>>
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So you can compare Ventrilo to Windows, and TeamSpeak to Linux

Some gamers prefer Ventrilo, and those whom prefer TeamSpeak argues that it is just slightly different / better.

The main error in this comparement, is that Microsoft is willing to support its paying customers :s

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Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo

I was about to say the same thing. Sound quality is all about the
codecs. They are not the same but with best codec TS has, you hardly
notice any difference for those that Ventrilo uses. Mostly it is a myth
but about TS getting actively developed, thats not exactly true. New
versions are rare but the software is fully working and critical bugs
get fixed.

-ics

Crazy Canucks kirjoitti:
> "The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at
> least that is what my customers sais."
>
> As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration issue.
> You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the same
> sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
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> options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use lower
> quality codecs that use less bandwidth.
>
> As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS is
> an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
> say it was true...
>
> Drek
>
> Steffen Tronstad wrote:
>
>> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak, at least that is what my customers sais.
>>
>> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
>>
>> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay you to do some hours of work for me overseas
>>
>> - Steffen
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com] På vegne av Magnus
>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding Ventrilo
>>
>> Hi.
>> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
>> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
>> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
>>
>> -M
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent licence
>>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>>>
>>> -Lee
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Personally, Mumble is the best sound quality with the least latency
you can get (it's almost real-time whereas you have a couple of ms of
latency with TeamSpeak and Ventrilo) and uses way less resources than
the other two, the only thing which is preventing it from being used
is ... marketing, and maybe the fact that the others are already used
by 90% of gamers. As an example, we currently host more than 800
murmur (mumble) servers on a P4 with 4Gb of RAM.

It's maybe cheaper to sell but at least there are no licensing
problems

On Jan 30, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Steffen Tronstad wrote:

> So you can compare Ventrilo to Windows, and TeamSpeak to Linux
>
> Some gamers prefer Ventrilo, and those whom prefer TeamSpeak argues
> that it is just slightly different / better.
>
> The main error in this comparement, is that Microsoft is willing to
> support its paying customers :s
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
> ] På vegne av ics
> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 15:09
> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
> Ventrilo
>
> I was about to say the same thing. Sound quality is all about the
> codecs. They are not the same but with best codec TS has, you hardly
> notice any difference for those that Ventrilo uses. Mostly it is a
> myth
> but about TS getting actively developed, thats not exactly true. New
> versions are rare but the software is fully working and critical bugs
> get fixed.
>
> -ics
>
> Crazy Canucks kirjoitti:
>> "The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
>> at
>> least that is what my customers sais."
>>
>> As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration
>> issue.
>> You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the
>> same
>> sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
>> options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use
>> lower
>> quality codecs that use less bandwidth.
>>
>> As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS
>> is
>> an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
>> say it was true...
>>
>> Drek
>>
>> Steffen Tronstad wrote:
>>
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>>> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
>>> at least that is what my customers sais.
>>>
>>> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
>>>
>>> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt
>>> anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay
>>> you to do some hours of work for me overseas
>>>
>>> - Steffen
>>>
>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
>>> ] På vegne av Magnus
>>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
>>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
>>> Ventrilo
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
>>> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
>>> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent
>>>> licence
>>>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>>>>
>>>> -Lee
>>>>
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Yes, Mumble is a lot better than TeamSpeak and Ventrilo. When you start
using it, I see no reason to go back to the 2 others.

2009/1/30 Arnaud DUMAS de RAULY <a.ddr (AT) esport-eu (DOT) com>

> Personally, Mumble is the best sound quality with the least latency
> you can get (it's almost real-time whereas you have a couple of ms of
> latency with TeamSpeak and Ventrilo) and uses way less resources than
> the other two, the only thing which is preventing it from being used
> is ... marketing, and maybe the fact that the others are already used
> by 90% of gamers. As an example, we currently host more than 800
> murmur (mumble) servers on a P4 with 4Gb of RAM.
>
> It's maybe cheaper to sell but at least there are no licensing
> problems
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Steffen Tronstad wrote:
>
> > So you can compare Ventrilo to Windows, and TeamSpeak to Linux
> >
> > Some gamers prefer Ventrilo, and those whom prefer TeamSpeak argues
> > that it is just slightly different / better.
> >
> > The main error in this comparement, is that Microsoft is willing to
> > support its paying customers :s
> >
> > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
> > ] På vegne av ics
> > Sendt: 30. januar 2009 15:09
> > Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> > Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
> > Ventrilo
> >
> > I was about to say the same thing. Sound quality is all about the
> > codecs. They are not the same but with best codec TS has, you hardly
> > notice any difference for those that Ventrilo uses. Mostly it is a
> > myth
> > but about TS getting actively developed, thats not exactly true. New
> > versions are rare but the software is fully working and critical bugs
> > get fixed.
> >
> > -ics
> >
> > Crazy Canucks kirjoitti:
> >> "The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
> >> at
> >> least that is what my customers sais."
> >>
> >> As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration
> >> issue.
> >> You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the
> >> same
> >> sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
> >> options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use
> >> lower
> >> quality codecs that use less bandwidth.
> >>
> >> As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS
> >> is
> >> an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
> >> say it was true...
> >>
> >> Drek
> >>
> >> Steffen Tronstad wrote:
> >>
> >>> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
> >>> at least that is what my customers sais.
> >>>
> >>> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
> >>>
> >>> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt
> >>> anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay
> >>> you to do some hours of work for me overseas
> >>>
> >>> - Steffen
> >>>
> >>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> >>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
> >>> ] På vegne av Magnus
> >>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
> >>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> >>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
> >>> Ventrilo
> >>>
> >>> Hi.
> >>> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
> >>> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
> >>> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
> >>>
> >>> -M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>> Hey,
> >>>>
> >>>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent
> >>>> licence
> >>>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lee
> >>>>
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Our clan uses steam multi user voice chat for stuff like tf2 & l4d - thats
my 10pence worth

On 1/30/09, AnAkIn . <anakin.cs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Yes, Mumble is a lot better than TeamSpeak and Ventrilo. When you start
> using it, I see no reason to go back to the 2 others.
>
> 2009/1/30 Arnaud DUMAS de RAULY <a.ddr (AT) esport-eu (DOT) com>
>
>
> > Personally, Mumble is the best sound quality with the least latency
> > you can get (it's almost real-time whereas you have a couple of ms of
> > latency with TeamSpeak and Ventrilo) and uses way less resources than
> > the other two, the only thing which is preventing it from being used
> > is ... marketing, and maybe the fact that the others are already used
> > by 90% of gamers. As an example, we currently host more than 800
> > murmur (mumble) servers on a P4 with 4Gb of RAM.
> >
> > It's maybe cheaper to sell but at least there are no licensing
> > problems
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Steffen Tronstad wrote:
> >
> > > So you can compare Ventrilo to Windows, and TeamSpeak to Linux
> > >
> > > Some gamers prefer Ventrilo, and those whom prefer TeamSpeak argues
> > > that it is just slightly different / better.
> > >
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> > > The main error in this comparement, is that Microsoft is willing to
> > > support its paying customers :s
> > >
> > > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > > Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> > hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
> > > ] På vegne av ics
> > > Sendt: 30. januar 2009 15:09
> > > Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> > > Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
> > > Ventrilo
> > >
> > > I was about to say the same thing. Sound quality is all about the
> > > codecs. They are not the same but with best codec TS has, you hardly
> > > notice any difference for those that Ventrilo uses. Mostly it is a
> > > myth
> > > but about TS getting actively developed, thats not exactly true. New
> > > versions are rare but the software is fully working and critical bugs
> > > get fixed.
> > >
> > > -ics
> > >
> > > Crazy Canucks kirjoitti:
> > >> "The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
> > >> at
> > >> least that is what my customers sais."
> > >>
> > >> As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration
> > >> issue.
> > >> You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the
> > >> same
> > >> sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
> > >> options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use
> > >> lower
> > >> quality codecs that use less bandwidth.
> > >>
> > >> As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS
> > >> is
> > >> an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
> > >> say it was true...
> > >>
> > >> Drek
> > >>
> > >> Steffen Tronstad wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
> > >>> at least that is what my customers sais.
> > >>>
> > >>> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt
> > >>> anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay
> > >>> you to do some hours of work for me overseas
> > >>>
> > >>> - Steffen
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > >>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> > hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
> > >>> ] På vegne av Magnus
> > >>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
> > >>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> > >>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
> > >>> Ventrilo
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi.
> > >>> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
> > >>> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
> > >>> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
> > >>>
> > >>> -M
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hey,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent
> > >>>> licence
> > >>>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Lee
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> archives, please visit:
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> >
> > Cordialement, Regards,
> > ----
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> > CEO d'Esport Media
> > Tel: +33 (0)6 75 13 28 75
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Last I checked, Mumble was Speex codec only (which I've never found to
sound very good).

This sounds like a lot of sour grapes from companies than Flagship
didn't want to do business with. I received a license in 2006, I don't
think anyone has gotten one since (I may be wrong). If you are already
reselling ventrilo for a licensed host I think you can be rest assured
you won't be provided a license. Why license someone who is already
making you and one of your licensees money? If they get upset and leave
the market because you won't license, it would be difficult to
transition all of their clients to another program...thus leaving, most
likely, a majority of those ventrilo clients still renting service from
a licensed vendor.

AnAkIn . wrote:
> Yes, Mumble is a lot better than TeamSpeak and Ventrilo. When you start
> using it, I see no reason to go back to the 2 others.
>
> 2009/1/30 Arnaud DUMAS de RAULY <a.ddr (AT) esport-eu (DOT) com>
>
>
>> Personally, Mumble is the best sound quality with the least latency
>> you can get (it's almost real-time whereas you have a couple of ms of
>> latency with TeamSpeak and Ventrilo) and uses way less resources than
>> the other two, the only thing which is preventing it from being used
>> is ... marketing, and maybe the fact that the others are already used
>> by 90% of gamers. As an example, we currently host more than 800
>> murmur (mumble) servers on a P4 with 4Gb of RAM.
>>
>> It's maybe cheaper to sell but at least there are no licensing
>> problems
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Steffen Tronstad wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So you can compare Ventrilo to Windows, and TeamSpeak to Linux
>>>
>>> Some gamers prefer Ventrilo, and those whom prefer TeamSpeak argues
>>> that it is just slightly different / better.
>>>
>>> The main error in this comparement, is that Microsoft is willing to
>>> support its paying customers :s
>>>
>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>>>
>> hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
>>
>>> ] På vegne av ics
>>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 15:09
>>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
>>> Ventrilo
>>>
>>> I was about to say the same thing. Sound quality is all about the
>>> codecs. They are not the same but with best codec TS has, you hardly
>>> notice any difference for those that Ventrilo uses. Mostly it is a
>>> myth
>>> but about TS getting actively developed, thats not exactly true. New
>>> versions are rare but the software is fully working and critical bugs
>>> get fixed.
>>>
>>> -ics
>>>
>>> Crazy Canucks kirjoitti:
>>>
>>>> "The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
>>>> at
>>>> least that is what my customers sais."
>>>>
>>>> As far as I am concerned, that is nonsense, and a configuration
>>>> issue.
>>>> You can set up TS to use exactly the same codecs, with exactly the
>>>> same
>>>> sound quality as Vent. The difference is that with TS you have more
>>>> options, and if bandwidth is an issue, you can configure it to use
>>>> lower
>>>> quality codecs that use less bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I am concerned the whole idea that Vent is superior to TS
>>>> is
>>>> an e-myth. Gamers believe it is true because they heard someone else
>>>> say it was true...
>>>>
>>>> Drek
>>>>
>>>> Steffen Tronstad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The sound quality in Ventrilo is so much better than in TeamSpeak,
>>>>> at least that is what my customers sais.
>>>>>
>>>>> And we make A LOT of money renting out ventrilo-servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad it is impossible to get in contact with them guys. Isnt
>>>>> anyone on this lists from USA near their HQ? I would gladly pay
>>>>> you to do some hours of work for me overseas
>>>>>
>>>>> - Steffen
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>>>> Fra: hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>>>>>
>> hlds_linux-bounces (AT) list (DOT) valvesoftware.com
>>
>>>>> ] På vegne av Magnus
>>>>> Sendt: 30. januar 2009 14:25
>>>>> Til: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>>> Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] OFF TOIPC - Question to GSP's regarding
>>>>> Ventrilo
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> Yea, Ventrilo has a strange way of making money.
>>>>> We have been trying to get a license for over 3 years.
>>>>> We are sending them emails every 6months. never heard from them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give me the license, I'd literally give my left leg for a Vent
>>>>>> licence
>>>>>> these days. ( thats the polite way of putting it !)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
>>>>>> archives, please visit:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>> Cordialement, Regards,
>> ----
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>> CEO d'Esport Media
>> Tel: +33 (0)6 75 13 28 75
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>> Blog: http://www.dumasderauly.com
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Hello,

For a company reeping the funds in regardless, it wouldn't exactly be
difficult to send out a "No your not welcome to a license" email now
would it ?

It just seems getting a vent licence is like tripping over the fountain
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of youth to then find the holy grail.

My two cents.

-Lee

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Does it say anywhere on the ventrilo.com site that they are accepting
license requests? I don't think it has said that for years.
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RTL-Servers wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For a company reeping the funds in regardless, it wouldn't exactly be
> difficult to send out a "No your not welcome to a license" email now
> would it ?
>
> It just seems getting a vent licence is like tripping over the fountain
> of youth to then find the holy grail.
>
> My two cents.
>
> -Lee
>
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I think I'm going to start offering free Mumble hosting for anyone that
will use it. Flagship needs to learn a lesson not to ignore their
business partners.



RTL-Servers wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For a company reeping the funds in regardless, it wouldn't exactly be
> difficult to send out a "No your not welcome to a license" email now
> would it ?
>
> It just seems getting a vent licence is like tripping over the fountain
> of youth to then find the holy grail.
>
> My two cents.
>
> -Lee
>
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Guys, try mumble! mumble > vt > ts
it's free and have better quality

http://mumble.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
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Yes: http://ventrilo.com/purchase.php

Finally, what is the point for them to not accept new license request ?

Go mumble and forget about the fact ventrilo even exists

Cheers,

Marc.


On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Joseph Laws <jlaws (AT) hd-gaming (DOT) com> wrote:

> Does it say anywhere on the ventrilo.com site that they are accepting
> license requests? I don't think it has said that for years.
>
>
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good choice, mumble needs promotion.

2009/1/30 Midnight <midowns (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> I think I'm going to start offering free Mumble hosting for anyone that
> will use it. Flagship needs to learn a lesson not to ignore their
> business partners.
>
>
>
> RTL-Servers wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > For a company reeping the funds in regardless, it wouldn't exactly be
> > difficult to send out a "No your not welcome to a license" email now
> > would it ?
> >
> > It just seems getting a vent licence is like tripping over the fountain
> > of youth to then find the holy grail.
> >
> > My two cents.
> >
> > -Lee
> >
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